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Another year gone by.  What have we done, and why?  G. Zegarelli

 

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Interview with Gregg R. Zegarelli
Author of ONE*

 

Why now, 2,000 years later?

"If you asked Frank Lloyd Wright why his buildings were not built 2,000 years ago, he would answer that the technology at the time did not support the idea for the intended design.  Only recently did the new technology provide the tools to access the material in the manner of the intended design."

Gregg R. Zegarelli             

       

Interviewer Gregg Zegarelli
Good morning, Gregg.  Thank you for taking the time to speak with me. It's my pleasure.  Thank you for your time, as well.
   
Let's get right to it.  Why did you write ONE? I thought it needed to be done, and I had the capability to do it, and I was inspired to do it.
   
Tell me why you thought you had the capability of doing it?  Let me start with your education. Saint Bartholomew Grade School, Central Catholic High School, Duquesne University, and Duquesne University Law School.
   
Those are all Catholic institutions, right? Yes.  But to be quite frank about it, I never really thought about it that way, although, in retrospect, I am very thankful it happened that way.  Actually, because many of my friends were going to public schools, my father had to persuade me to go to Central Catholic High School, but that's a story for another day.
   
In what field is your degree? I have a Juris Doctorate from the Duquesne University Law School. 

My undergraduate degree is a Bachelor of Arts from Duquesne University.  I had dual major areas of study in History and Accounting, and dual minors in Philosophy and Political Science.  I also studied the classics and classical languages.

   
What does being an attorney have to do with Jesus...what's the connection? Everything.  The four Gospels of Jesus are called "testimonies" such as they are the four recountings of Jesus' life by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.  Attorneys are trained to deal in the reconciliation of testimony.
   
So, with that said, back to capabilities...Why do you say that you thought you had the capability to write ONE? Well, I suppose there are a few factors that I can point to.  From a technical perspective, I think it's three things: computer skills, legal training and owning my own law office.  

First, I could not have managed the technical process of unifying the text without significant computer skills.  Really, documenting the unification process with 3,000 references, each of which can individually point to up to all four Gospels was a daunting task.  I actually banged my head on the table a couple of times thinking it would never end. 

Second, without significant legal training and experience, I could not have managed unification of the four testimonies from a conceptual perspective.   Attorneys are trained to find the single truthful story within multiple varying testimonies.  The individual testimonies remain, but only on single truth can be put to the judge or jury.

Third, without owning my own law office, I would not have been able to manage my time and financial resources to accomplish the project.  That is, writing the book was a huge undertaking over 2 years.  If I needed to take time to complete the work, I could do so; because I am the employer, I could not get fired--it just cost me time and money.

   
Okay, I will come back to it, but that also sounds like the answer to why you believe a book like this was never written before? Maybe.
   
You say, "I thought it needed to be done."  Why. That's the best question.  Why?  There's a short answer and long answer. 

The short answer is this: I am an attorney.  I am well-educated, and I have been practicing for 18 years.  Now, there are different types of lawyers: for example, criminal lawyers, personal injury lawyers, corporate lawyers.  I would be considered a cross between a corporate lawyer and a corporate litigator.  My clients have hired me to review terms and conditions for some very complex deals, including venture capital and mergers and acquisitions.  I am not trying to puff here, that's not the point, I'm trying to set a premise that my profession requires a significant amount of detailed reading, writing, analysis and reconciliation of textual works.

Having said that, I began deeply studying the bible in the year 2000 after I became married to my wife, Jodi.  That's where the long story comes in, which is also a story for another day.  In reading the Gospels, I thought it was just too hard.  I thought, "If it's too hard for me, and I am trained to read complex documents all day, it must be too hard for others, as well."  So, ...

   
Wait, wait, please.  Let me stop you, because I don't want to lose track of the question.  People have been reading the Gospels for 2,000 years.  Please explain what you mean, "too hard." Absolutely.  I love that question; that's the heart of it.  Let me start with a fact.  There are four Gospels, right? 
   
Right. And, each of the Gospels concerns the story of Jesus, right?
   
Yes. But, none of the Gospels has the entire story of Jesus, right?
   
Well, I never really thought about it, but if you say so. Good.  The fact that you never thought about it is part of my point.  But, I won't press you on that right now, since you won't be happy with me if I start asking you the questions.

It is true.  None of the Gospels has the entire story of Jesus.  If you look at Unification Index, you will see clearly that each Gospel is a separate "testimony" of Jesus' life.  There are parts in one that are not in the others.  [Editor's note: see Sample Pages, Unification Index]

For example, the Gospel of Luke has many more parables than the other Gospels.  Only, Matthew and Luke contain the statement of Unending Forgiveness [forgive seventy-seven times in one day].  Only John has the story of Jesus washing the feet of the Apostles at the Last Supper.  These are only a couple of examples.

   
Okay... So, is that why you believe that ONE is so appealing? Before ONE, the reader had to do the following: read each of the four Gospels, remember each of them, compare and contrast each version with the other versions--to the extent that the reader can remember the individual texts, then integrate them in the reader's mind.  After that, the reader must try to understand the complete message.  Ultimately, you learn the Gospels in bits and pieces.

It's just too hard, and it should not be that hard.  Even after writing ONE, I still cannot do it from memory.  I need to go to the Unification Index to see exactly from where clauses are derived.

   
Thank you.  I understand now.  But, are you saying that you've re-written the Gospels? No, of course not.  ONE is what it is.  It can eliminate barriers of entry for the study of Jesus, and, at the same time, provide a scholarly reference for preachers.  It is not intended to replace the Gospels, or the direct study of the Gospel.  I am so pleased that it has been received as a work of goodness.

There is no way to deeply study the Gospels without deeply studying the source Gospels.  But, not everyone has the time to read all four Gospels, and, in truth, they should not have to do so.  In retrospect, I have heard many people say that the Gospels are intimidating to read.

I love the story of Michelangelo, in which he said that the statue of David was already in the marble and that he merely removed the excess marble in revelation.  There is, of course, no "excess" in the perfect Gospels considered by some to be divine.  But, that's a bit theoretical, and we live in a real world where we must eat and sleep, and take the time to read the Word and to reflect on the message.

Jesus said his yoke easy and burden light.  All I have done is to take the four Gospels, superimpose them upon each other and remove the general duplication.  Then, I took the unique portions and integrated them.  So, in 230 pages, shorter than most novels, you receive the entire story. 

   
Can you give an easy example of the unified text? I would love to do so.  Just so you know, we do have a sample online on the website at www.OUGPress.com/content/sample.pdf.  I will use the example at ONE:1707 relating to the story of Unending Forgiveness.  It is a very well-known story.

First, that story is only contained in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke; it is not contained in Mark and John.  That is, if you only read Mark and John, you will not read that story.  Even so, it is stated differently in Matthew and Luke.  Now, I am quoting generally here, and not verbatim, so you need to go to ONE or the online sample to see the verbatim text and how it is exactly handled.

Let's start with Matthew.  Basically, in Matthew, Peter approaches and asks him, “If someone sins against me, how often must I forgive him?  Seven times?” Jesus answers, "Not seven, but seventy-seven times.It is generally considered that Jesus means unending forgiveness.

Next, Luke.  Now, in Luke, the story is similar, but different in a very important way.  First, in Luke, there is no question from Peter.  Jesus merely makes a proclamation.  Secondly, Jesus places a condition into the sentence.  In Luke, it is something like, "If someone sins against you, and if he repents, forgive him.  And if he does it and repents seven times, then you should forgive him." 

So that is a very good single example of how the texts are similar, and yet importantly different.  In the real-world, how does a non-scholar remember those fine distinctions?  That is, to remember the subtlety of the differences and similarities?  Particularly when these two source Gospels are often separated by the entire Gospel of Mark. 

Here is how I handled the unification, and I believe that it is handled accurately and with complete integrity.  In ONE, it reads something like:

Peter approaches Jesus and asks, “If someone sins against me, how often must I forgive him?  Seven times?”  Jesus answers, “If someone sins against you, and if he repents, forgive him. And if he does it and repents seven times, then you should forgive him not seven but seventy-seven times.”  [Editor's note: colorization of text for convenience of the reader.  See Sample Pages, Unification Index]

The end result is ease, clarity and greater impact of the message.  At the same time, if the reader does not recall that particular distinction--and we have not met one reader who did remember that distinction--the reader can source it back to the Gospels through the Unification Index to prove the text.

   
On what version of the Gospel is ONE based? This is where the technology plays into the task.  There are some great resources only now available, 2,000 years later.  I'm not saying the task of unification was impossible without the new technologies, I'm saying that lack of technology creates the inertia, or barrier, to perform the task.  I used the foremost digital library system; I purchased more than 350 digital resources. 
   
Is that why you say, "for the first time in history." Yes.  It's a frequent question: Why now?  Hasn't anyone done this before?  Why you, why now?  This is a bible, 2,000 years old.  How can it be?  It's hard to believe.
   
So, it's the technology that makes ONE unique? To some extent.  Understand that the task was daunting, even with the technology.  Some would consider me very trained from a technology and legal perspective, and, even with all the digital tools, it took me over two years.  Writing a unified story of Jesus is one task, but it was the process of authoritatively tracking the unification that required the technology.

If you asked Frank Lloyd Wright why his buildings were not built 2,000 years ago, he would answer that the technology at the time did not support the idea for the intended design.  Only recently did the new technology provide the tools to access the material in the manner of the intended design.  The design was to unify authoritatively.

   
So, if I understand, I've seen CD's and DVD's with the story of Jesus before that have the life of Jesus.  These are also consolidations, but not necessarily authoritative unifications, right? Right.  First, let me say that there are many pre-existing works of goodness, but none like ONE.  I cannot  and will not say that ONE is better than any other work.  Because they're all good and they all serve their respective purposes.  There are general narratives of Jesus' life, and there are also tables that indicate, for example, where a certain parable in one gospel is located in another gospel. 

But, ONE is different because it is a complete textual integration of the original texts.  Absolutely, every clause--every clause--in the original four Gospels is accounted for in ONE, and this is proven in the Unification Index.

   
So, then it's the Unification Index that makes ONE unique. The Unification Index gives ONE its authority.  It is that authority that makes ONE unique.  From a reader perspective, should I illustrate with a couple examples?
   
Yes, please illustrate with examples. Okay.  I did not tell anyone I was working on the book until it the initial text was completed.  When I finally told one of my staff, Lisa, that I was completing authoring a book on the consolidation of the Gospels, she reacted positively but somewhat unexcitedly.  

On another day, when I was explaining the book in more detail to Shawnna, one of my other staff, in the presence of Lisa, both Lisa and Shawnna got really, really excited.  So, I asked Lisa why she was so excited--somewhat fanatically--this time and not before.  She said because, this time, I explained the Unification Index and the 3,000 references back to the source Gospels.  She said that was the difference to her between my "narrative take" on the Gospels, versus something authoritative that allows readers to cross-check my work and resolve the text back to the source Gospels.

In a separate example, I was explaining to one of the marketing representatives the example of Unending Forgiveness, and that, by unification, you see clearly see how repentance integrates with the concept of forgiveness.  She responded, "Great, everyone has their take on the bible."  I responded, "No, this is not 'my take'; it is actually in the verbatim language of the original Gospels.  Just go to the Unification Index."  [Editor's Note: ONE:1707]

So, again, it is the Unification Index gives ONE its authority, and it is that authority that makes ONE unique.

   
I'm glad you mentioned "authority"; what makes you an authority.  Are you not the son of a hair dresser. That's funny.  Yes, I am.  I know you're kidding when you say that about my father, but he is very successful in his own right, and he authored a book of inspiration and goodness, Diamond Capsules for Success and Wisdom, and I am very proud of him.  He has always been my first and best teacher.  The book is dedicated to him. 

As to me, I am who I am and I've done what that I've done.  I hope my work is received in the manner intended: to share the good news. 

I am an attorney, and, as such, I am professionally trained to reconcile and to present testimony.  That is what attorneys are trained to do for their clients.  I have merely reconciled the testimonies of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. 

It was as if four witnesses entered my office with a story to tell.  As the attorney for my client, I can present the four original testimonies to the judge and jury, but I must unify and summarize in my closing argument with only one truth.  And, so it is with ONE.

   
Are you religious? Well, that depends upon how you define "religion."  Let me say this: if you define religion as subscribing to the traditions, rites and ceremonies of a certain particular institution, I would have to say that I might be but don't consider myself to be. 

I really like the statement of Abraham Lincoln, where he says that the articles of belief in religious institutions are too complicated and that he would join any church that has love as its only requirement for membership.

I think Jesus' teachings are very clear.  He said, "Learn the meaning of the scriptures, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'"  I understand his point to be all about substance over form.  So, I do not think that institutional rites and ceremonies are necessary to apply Jesus' teachings.  And, if religion should divide us, it is the devil's game.  The devil's trick.

   
Do you go to Mass? That's personal, and I don't believe that it is necessarily relevant to the technical work I've done with the book, ONE.  I will say only this, it is important for me, personally, to take a formal weekly moment to appreciate, deeply, the beauty in the world and in my life, and to pray for others while acknowledging that God's will be done.   Whether that moment would occur at a Roman Catholic church, a Baptist church, Jewish Synagogue, Hindu temple or Muslim Mosque, for example, is incidental for me.  I really do not have any ability whatsoever to make fine distinctions on things regarding the nature of God.  I do, however, have the ability to accept as I can the command to do deeds of goodness.
   
Is this why there are two versions of ONE? Maybe, probably, but I cannot really say.  It just is what I was inspired to do.  It just is.  I was raised Roman Catholic.  Do I think there are some aspects of Roman Catholicism that are difficult for me to reconcile on pure substance?  I suppose, but it is what it is.  And, even so, it's all good.
   
Okay.  Tell me about the two books.  Isn't it somewhat ironic that a book named "ONE" has two versions? No.  Two paths can come to one destination.
   
What is that destination? Harmonious co-existence in love.  To be neither predator nor prey.
   
What are the differences in the two versions of ONE? There are two versions, called the "Divine" and the "Universal."  The Divine version is the complete reconciliation of the four Gospels.  Every citation in each of the four Gospels is accounted for in the Divine version of ONE.  That is, you can source every reference from the source Gospels in ONE.

The Universal version is for those who desire to study the four Gospels, but without the certain events that rest on fundamental Christian faith.  For example, does a Jew or Muslim really want to read about Jesus rising from the dead?  It is somewhat fundamentally contradicting. 

   
So, is the Divine version for Christians and the Universal version for non-Christians? No, not really.  Although, as a general rule, I would say that Christians should read the Divine version first, and non-Christians might want to read the Universal version first.

However, open-minded Christians can read the Universal version, because it is still an accurate statement within its own context.  And, certainly, a non-Christian who desires to gain the full message of the Gospels should read the Divine version.

   
How did you come to name the two versions? As to the book itself, it represents the unification of the four Gospels, and the two versions represent the attempt to unify by finding common ground for a moral teaching; thus, ONE.

Because the Divine version contains the entire unified Gospels, it has the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary, Jesus walking on water, changing water into wine and rising from the dead.  As the traditional definition of Christians is to believe Jesus to be specially divine, the "divine" version was so-named. 

The Universal version was named because it is intended to be enjoyed by those who either do not believe Jesus was divine or who wish a more empirical study of the Gospels.  That is, somewhat more universally acceptable.  But, depending upon how the term "Christian" is defined, there are some who call themselves "Christians" who remain somewhat agnostic--meaning that they don't know--as to certain miracles and they might find more comfort in reading the Universal version, as well.

   
Fine.  Will not devout Christians be concerned--to say the least--about the Universal version and the removal of certain miracles? I will answer this in two ways.  First, I am an attorney.  I live in a real world of judgment, and I understand the judgment that naturally occurs, whether that judgment itself would be right or wrong.  For this reason, I purposely kept the covers of the two books virtually identical, so that the reader would not disclose the particular version being read.  We put small stickers on the covers to distinguish the versions that can be removed. 

I don't think anyone should be superficially judged by the cover of the book they read.  I believe both versions to be works of goodness, but with different purposes.  So, it was purposeful, that if you are reading ONE, no one knows which version you are reading.

Secondly, let me be a bit more theoretical and hopeful.  I am hopeful that all Christians equally embrace both versions for what they contain, in substance: the beautiful consolidated teachings of someone generally believed to be one of the greatest persons who ever lived.  If the reader chooses to read either version, that person is spending their valuable time learning the good teachings of Jesus, and that, I hope, is something for us all to embrace.

   
Okay, which ONE is your family reading? I recommend either and both.  As to which one they have or will read, you need to ask them.
   
Where and when can I get ONE? The Divine version is currently shipping on a first-come, first serve pre-order basis.  The Universal version will be online approximately mid-December and will physically ship late in the month.  Because of production timing, the books are available only on www.MyOneBible.com.  We do not anticipate them to be in bookstores until 2007.

 * This interview is a compilation of various interviews and discussions and has been set forth for the purposes herein.  Copyright 2006 © OUG Press.  All rights reserved.  Permission is freely granted to quote Mr. Zegarelli's responses herein without attribution to this content.

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